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The Scripture most quoted to support Rapture (Pre & Mid and post)

1 Thessalonians 4 v 12 – 18  King James Bible

12 That ye may walk honestly toward them that are without, and that ye may have lack of nothing.

13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

Lets have a look at this scripture above and this is the most often scripture quoted to me.  I am using the King James Version Protestant Bible I want to make that known as it is important you shall see in another page about Rapture is not in the Bible!

First verse which none of them v 12 from my website you would know that v 12 means perfection.

And the key word of that verse is honestly – something you will see rapture is not!

So now verse 13 the verse that is used to tell us  to hope because rapture gives hope, but match that with v 17 then it don’t match.

V 13 again concerning those that are asleep – Notice they are asleep not awake, as in been raptured and are awake because they never died!

v 14 Jesus only bring with him those that are asleep!  No raptured alive people!

v 15 “Alive and remain”, not gone somewhere not taken somewhere not anyway, but alive and remain where?  “unto the coming of the Lord” hold on a minute. The Lord is coming to those who are alive and remain!

Question where is the Lord coming from?

From Heaven of course but there is a scripture and a passage of scripture to confirm this.

13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.

16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.

18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.

19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

He is on His cloud holding a sickle,

He is told by the angel who came from the “Law room” the Throne Room after being instructed  to tell the Son of Man who had a golden crown to thrown in a sharp sickle.  Notice it is done Twice i.e. two witnesses.

Pre, Mid, Post, before the official come of Christ, rapture has no witnesses and therefore is not Legal !

And then as he throws in the Sickle v 16 we Hear the Shout of the Archangel,  no shout in rapture!   Opposite to a thief in Jesus and before Jesus natural time on earth!

 Trump of God, as well like in coming as a thief with sleep residents back then, Light, Shout, Trumpet (noise to confused, so the thief could raid and kill)

v 16 the Dead the Asleep ones are first – Rapture says we are rapture to save us from tribulaiton which means we alive ones are first – Rapture has it back to front and therefore is a lie.  Dead rise first!

Then we v 17 which are alive are caught up notice the word “Up” not brought with Him as in coming down from Heaven, cannot rise to Heaven if we are already there!

We who are alive are caught UP! Rapture is a lie just on this one word alone!

Therefore comfort one another with these words!

Question why then replace them with a different senario as in taken as a modern day thief as opposed to a thief in Jesus day?

Read Gideon 200 Lights Smashing and Trumpet  and a shout!  cause confusion in the oppositions came


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